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I'm here to kick some resonance cascade scenario ass and swallow pineapples... and I'm all out of pineapples... on Mars!
March 16th 2004, 16:38 CET by Marsh Davies

Gamespot, amongst many other fatuous and pointless websites, have commented on the glorious gib-splattering year of FPS gaming ahead. Indeed, the imminent releases (read: delays) of Unreal Tournament 2004, Half-Life 2, Doom 3 co-op and so on, do leave me tingling with soon-to-be-disappointed anticipation.

What better way to herald in the best games of 1864, or whenever they were originally scheduled for release, than to have a retrospective debate upon the top ten FPS games of yesteryear? - thus filling editorial space with ease whilst making the readership feel like their opinions matter.

And since PlanetCrap has been as dead as the Mega-Beaver recently, why not copy said fatuity and gross pointlessness?

Gamespot's list starred, in no preferencial order, Battlefield 1942, Doom, Rainbow Six, UT, Halo, Half-Life, Counter-Strike, Duke Nukem 3D, Goldeneye and, of course, Quake.

However, for our own musings, I suggest that the FPS games be separated into multiplayer and singleplayer categories, with mods standing alone on their own merits (though modability might be a criteria in rating a game). Judgements would be better based on personal enjoyment (at the time) rather than impact or importance to the genre.

My personal list would be...

SP:
Half-Life
Unreal
Quake 2
Doom & Doom 2
Quake

MP:
Medal of Honour (objective based teamplay)
Half-Life (deathmatch)
Team Fortress (for Quake)
Quake 3 (deathmatch)
Unreal Tournament (capture the flag)

Failing this, prizes will* be awarded for coming up with a sentence that most concisely references as many FPS games as possible.

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#40 by Creole Ned
2004-03-16 19:21:36
A few ommissions from my list for single player:

Doom 2
Jedi Knight

Tribes was a fantastic experience for the first six months. It was radically different than Quake/Quake 2 but by the time skiing heavies became a fixture, my interest waned. Tribes 2 was beset by many problems and failed to rekindle my initial excitement. For that six month bubble, though, Tribes was a great game, even in the unholy world of pubs.

Over the last year, my multiplayer games have been almost exclusively on private servers. I find it hard to tolerate the nonsense of pubs now, so large scale games like BF1942 are pretty much ignored.

For single player, my biggest problem is lack of immersion and tired, annoying conventions. To wit: Half-Life created a virtually seamless world, had NPC's you could directly interact with, gave you an identity and purpose and led you through a variety of credible environments (yes, I even include Xen, which I thought felt convincingly alien). While HL had its share of annoying puzzles (hello, teleporter chamber) and ended with a nonsensical final boss, the overall package was very engaging.

Compare this to Unreal 2 which I recently played through. It innovates in one area, graphics. The levels are incredibly lush, the amount of detail is significantly higher than any other single player shooter I've played. But to what end? Apart from a few "defend the base" missions, it's a bog standard FPS. You have an absurdly huge arsenal of weapons, you get mission briefings that are irrelevant since you just go in and blast everything, anyway. The NPC's are stereotypes or the product of male adolescent fantasies (like Aida, the math genius/space whore). You plod through level after leve, gunning away and the whole experience feels pointless. I was actually annoyed by the time the game ended.

Is it really that hard to create a single player game that really draws you in? It would seem so given how few have managed to grab me over the last decade.

"I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
#41 by Trolly McTroll
2004-03-16 19:22:14
When I was a kid, we called poop dookie.

Yakety Yak, Kids Smoke Crack!
#42 by Creole Ned
2004-03-16 19:26:07
Also regarding Unreal 2: an entire level filled with spiders. GRAARR. And including the best flamethrower ever didn't come close to making up for it.

"I don't bemoan the great paste" - LPMiller
#43 by Duality
2004-03-16 19:26:23
Dualipuff@yahoo.com http://stratoscape.ath.cx/
#23 Marsh Davies
Is the enjoyment of multiplayer a more intangible experience?

Possibly.  A lot of the reasons why I chose the games I did was based on overall enjoyment, which encompassed everything from how much I enjoyed the actual mechanics of the gameplay to the thrill of playing it to the people I was playing with.  I had completely forgotten Enemy Territory in my list and would gladly switch that out for Loki's CTF and place it higher on the list (just after SoF2).  A lot of this has to do with the fact that I've enjoyed pretty much every game I've played with the 'Crappers.

Threewave CTF and Tribes 2 are at the top of my list because those were the times I've worked best with the people I was teamed with.  I've been in about 5-6 clans/tribes in my life and those two stand out as the best times I've ever had gaming.

#37 dookieagain
Tron 2.0 for singleplayer, although it also has its share of pain in the ass jumping ...

Normally that would have pissed me off, but because there had been a lot of jumping about in the film, I really couldn't fault the design for being true to the setting.
#44 by Darkseid-D
2004-03-16 19:28:57
rogerboal@hotmail.com
Undying was good on the first run at it, but it dragged horribly towards the end, subsequent replays have all ended with 'ugh, can't be bothered' and uninstallation.

Tribes, I played to death online via a 56k connection, mostly to US servers, very forgiving netcode in that game.

C&C Renegade was dreadful in single player, but the multiplayer had a certain charm to it, certain fun enough to keep 20 odd people playing overnight at a lan.

Dark Forces 2 : Jedi Knight was a great single player game, but the cheats ruined multiplayer, Jedi Knight 2: Outcast was so, so, multiplayer was alright, but singleplayer, the most fun I had was downloading the 'Duel' map and facing wave after wave of jedi.  JK:Academy was meh in singleplayer but the new moves made multiplayer fun for a while, very cinematic and the 2 on 1 mode was a challenge, but ultimately, the games engine hampered it too damn much.

Do not go gently into that good night.
Old age should burn and rage at the close of day.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
#45 by CheesyPoof
2004-03-16 19:42:16
Is it really that hard to create a single player game that really draws you in?

I'm going to say yes.  When you think of it, there are very few SP FPS games that draw you into its world.  That that I can think of offhand include Deux Ex, Thief, HL, and Doom.  I may have left a few out, but they have been few and far between.  It is eaiser to create a good MP game than it is a good SP one.  Just look at ET, canned because of the SP, but the MP got a free release.
#46 by dookieagain
2004-03-16 19:43:24
jfd13@pitt.edu
Yeah Undying didn't really stand up to multiple playthroughs, but no FPS I can think of really has for me, once in a while I'll run the human SP part of the AvP games, which is a great atmospheric romp.  And System Shock and the Deus Ex games are good for a chance to see how else to complete an objective, but most of my FPS impressions are based on one playthrough type experiences, also usually on the "normal" difficulty.  Halo is a rare exception because the Legendary difficult is a wholey different and much more fun experience than the single player on normal.

#47 by bago
2004-03-16 19:59:55
manga_Rando@hotmail.com
Halo on legendary was a lot of fun, but always kind of depressing because any marines you came with would always get slaughtered.

The monkey poured coffee in my MOOTZ!
#48 by DEATH KILLER INTERNATIONAL (INTERGALACTIC DIVISION
2004-03-16 20:23:24
deathkillerint@hotmail.com
Creole Ned

Multi:
Medal of Honor (Team DM)
Rainbow Six 3: Raven Shield
Tribes
UT/UT2003


I'm surprised "cock" didn't make your list of first-person shooters.

Intergalactic Turnip Festival Destroyer
#49 by Jibble
2004-03-16 20:30:43
ATTENTION PLANETCRAP!

Thanks to the resounding failure of Hip Hop Day, I've decided that a new, better day will be instated this Friday.  That's right, it's "Jibble's-Getting-Married-and-You-Don't-Have-To-Wade-Knee-Deep-Through-Posts-All-Day-for-Two-Weeks Day" or "Planetcrap Freedom Day" for short.

March 19th, everything changes*.

*Offer expires April, 2004.  Coupons may not be redeemed at a later date.

"No degree of dullness can safeguard a work against the determination of critics to find it fascinating." - Harold Rosenberg
#50 by BobJustBob
2004-03-16 20:35:18
I predict that Jibble leaves her at the altar and is engaged to a different woman within six months.

Dood.
#51 by Jibble
2004-03-16 20:37:06
#50 BobJustBob
I predict that Jibble leaves her at the altar and is engaged to a different woman within six months.

I predict that at the time of my third engagement, you will still be living with your parents.

"No degree of dullness can safeguard a work against the determination of critics to find it fascinating." - Harold Rosenberg
#52 by Ergo
2004-03-16 20:41:36
ZING!

MY FATE KEEPS INTERFERING WITH MY DESTINY. THAT IS KARMA.
DVDs
#53 by Jibble
2004-03-16 20:43:17
Please don't encourage either of us, or this may never end.

"No degree of dullness can safeguard a work against the determination of critics to find it fascinating." - Harold Rosenberg
#54 by Jibble
2004-03-16 20:43:42
(until Friday)

"No degree of dullness can safeguard a work against the determination of critics to find it fascinating." - Harold Rosenberg
#55 by Post-It
2004-03-16 20:46:54
keithlee@speakeasy.net
SP:

HL
DX
Halo
Tron 2.0
...

MP:
UT
SoF2
ET

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#56 by BobJustBob
2004-03-16 20:49:51
Alternatively, I predict that you'll get divorced within six years.

I make that prediction for every couple. It's a safe bet.

Dood.
#57 by Shadarr
2004-03-16 20:53:17
shadarr@yahoo.com http://digital-luddite.com
I fully support and endorse Jibble AFK Day.
#58 by Matt Perkins
2004-03-16 20:54:06
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
........BORING!

"Good, good. Now, and here is where I'm going with this - I'll be fucked if I can remember how to farm."
- LP
#59 by Ergo
2004-03-16 20:55:26
#56 BobJustBob
Alternatively, I predict that you'll get divorced within six years.

I make that prediction for every couple. It's a safe bet.

For me, it'll be six years this August. Barring something catastrophic, I'll make it. What do I win?

MY FATE KEEPS INTERFERING WITH MY DESTINY. THAT IS KARMA.
DVDs
#60 by CheesyPoof
2004-03-16 20:56:29
Is it 3 days or 2 days until PC Freedom day?  Am I supposed to count today, or just Wed/Thur?
#61 by Caryn
2004-03-16 20:59:32
carynlaw@pacbell.net http://www.hellchick.net
It'll be 9 years for my husband and I this July.

HA!

"See, Canadians believe Jesus walked on water. We just figure it was winter when he did." - Squeaky
#62 by gaggle
2004-03-16 21:05:42
What's so different about Halo on legendary mode? I started a game with it, but it seemed exactly the same, just the enemies were a lot tougher. Which seemed to translate directly into longer firefights. Which I didn't see translate into fun. Did I miss something when I tried it? How is it a different experience?

Anyway, I think multiplayer games are inherently harder to explain why they're fun. There's no story to like or dislike, no plot, no characters, etc. Singleplayer games have control over the playing experience, and it can suck if the developers wield their powers poorly. But with multiplayer games your first match can be on a poor server, with lousy teammates, and you accidentally run up against the most fierce clan out there. Not so much in the ways of funny. And since everyone has their own unique experiences, you get all of these fractured opinions. Case in point: in Battlefield, I've never emptied a clip into thin air right infront of an enemy, so when people bring that up as an issue I simply can't relate. On the other hand, everyone went through Xen in Half-Life, saw the same levels and faced the same monters, so there's a much more stable platform to discuss and compare from.


Re: creating singleplayer content. Yeah I think it's a whole lot more difficult to make. Developer has to worry about story arcs, providing fresh content all the time, dialog, AI, memorable events, and, well, the whole thing is just quite damn content heavy and complicated. Not to mention complicated to test, as each part of the game is essentially unique and requires undivided attention and love. Any modern game, SP or MP, is a beast to complete, but I think there are many more things that needs to click just right to make a singleplayer game successful. And of course singleplayer games gets to compete with the same narrative toolset that movies have been using for a century. So everyone knows beforehand how well a story can be told.. at least with multiplayer games you're not borderline competing with techinques others have long since developed.


And now I'll go fetch myself some of that free candy someone placed out in the hallway.
#63 by "yourmotherTao"
2004-03-16 21:09:34
mamamia@yahoo.com
SP:
-StarTrek Elite force
-Undying
-Half-life+ SP mods

MP:
-TFC
-UT2004Demo
-UT99
#64 by Bailey
2004-03-16 21:12:29
And now I'll go fetch myself some of that free candy someone placed out in the hallway.

Beware of overhanging nets or boxes propped up by sticks with strings tied to them.

Only as much as you deserve.
#65 by Jibble
2004-03-16 21:20:07
#60 CheesyPoof
Is it 3 days or 2 days until PC Freedom day?  Am I supposed to count today, or just Wed/Thur?

You can count as many days as you want.  It's on Friday, regardless.

"No degree of dullness can safeguard a work against the determination of critics to find it fascinating." - Harold Rosenberg
#66 by bago
2004-03-16 21:26:41
manga_Rando@hotmail.com

it seemed exactly the same, just the enemies were a lot tougher. Which seemed to translate directly into longer firefights. Which I didn't see translate into fun.


The enemies don't get more hit points or shielding, they just get their AI turned up to ten. This forces you to play like a complete badass, tagging guys with grenades while in mid air, making every shot count, and weaving through the incoming fire like a monkey on steroids. It's really great when you finally clear a room.

The monkey poured coffee in my MOOTZ!
#67 by Post-It
2004-03-16 21:27:11
keithlee@speakeasy.net
Well, good luck and all that, I'll be celebrating on Saturday for you as the 20th is my birthday. I'll get drunk for you.

That being said, I'm not quite comfortable turning 26. I will officially be closer to 30 than 20 which makes me fell odd. Not that 30 is old or anything, just well, it kinda snuck up on me.

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#68 by Hugin
2004-03-16 21:28:26
lmccain@nber.org
30 is old.  Trust me.
#69 by Jibble
2004-03-16 21:33:43
#68 Hugin
30 is old.  Trust me.

According to my constant reassurance to my future wife, 30 is not old.

"No degree of dullness can safeguard a work against the determination of critics to find it fascinating." - Harold Rosenberg
#70 by Warren Marshall
2004-03-16 21:35:58
http://www.wantonhubris.com/
30 is older.  40 is old.

"Cheap Garbage Disposal Canít Handle Femur"
#71 by Hugin
2004-03-16 21:36:08
lmccain@nber.org
Well, love adds youth I suppose.  But I'm alone.  And old.
#72 by Jibble
2004-03-16 21:36:34
#71 Hugin
Well, love adds youth I suppose.  But I'm alone.  And old.

And yet so cute as an angry baby...

"No degree of dullness can safeguard a work against the determination of critics to find it fascinating." - Harold Rosenberg
#73 by Hugin
2004-03-16 21:37:41
lmccain@nber.org
Those were the days.  Long ago.
#74 by McBain
2004-03-16 21:56:33
I've been with my wife for 6 years and lived with her for 2.  We're not having our "wedding" for another 2 years yet.

Fighting the war on weapons of mass destruction-related program activity.
#75 by Greg
2004-03-16 21:57:49
Sounds like she really isn't your "wife" then.

-DKI(ID
#76 by jjohnsen
2004-03-16 21:59:45
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Oh, also, another thing that was really good about BF1942 and Tribes was that you didn't have to worry about finding weapons or whatnot, you could just spawn with them (BF1942), or spawn next to an inventory station (Tribes).


I like the weapon racks in UT2K4, they accomplish the same thing.


#56 BobJustBob

Alternatively, I predict that you'll get divorced within six years.

I make that prediction for every couple. It's a safe bet.

For me, it'll be six years this August. Barring something catastrophic, I'll make it. What do I win?


I'm 6 years in August too, I'm thinking Bob doesn't have much experience with marriage.

-Jeremy
#77 by McBain
2004-03-16 22:00:08
Sounds like she really isn't your "wife" then.

My committment to her is not changed by any piece of paper or offical's wave of hand.  We live together, I call her my wife.  She is the beneficiary of all my insurance, savings, etc...

Fighting the war on weapons of mass destruction-related program activity.
#78 by Jibble
2004-03-16 22:00:57
#74 McBain
I've been with my wife for 6 years and lived with her for 2.  We're not having our "wedding" for another 2 years yet.

Other "people" do things "differently" from yourself.  It's "almost" like we're "not" all exact "carbon copies" of each other.

"No degree of dullness can safeguard a work against the determination of critics to find it fascinating." - Harold Rosenberg
#79 by Jibble
2004-03-16 22:02:17
#77 McBain
Sounds like she really isn't your "wife" then.

My committment to her is not changed by any piece of paper or offical's wave of hand.  We live together, I call her my wife.  She is the beneficiary of all my insurance, savings, etc...

Actually, your committment does change, what with different tax forms and what not.

"No degree of dullness can safeguard a work against the determination of critics to find it fascinating." - Harold Rosenberg
#80 by McBain
2004-03-16 22:02:32
Jibble of course, all I'm saying is that we're married but we haven't had the big expensive party with our families yet.  We're still saving, and we're waiting for her to finish school.

Fighting the war on weapons of mass destruction-related program activity.
#81 by jjohnsen
2004-03-16 22:03:25
http://www.johnsenclan.com
#74 McBain

I've been with my wife for 6 years and lived with her for 2.  We're not having our "wedding" for another 2 years yet.


I don't get it, why have one at all?  Especially if your commitment isn't changed by a piece of paper.

-Jeremy
#82 by Jibble
2004-03-16 22:03:35
It's taking you 6 years to save for a wedding?

Jesus, that's gonna be one hell of a party.  I saved up for most of ours in 6 months...

"No degree of dullness can safeguard a work against the determination of critics to find it fascinating." - Harold Rosenberg
#83 by Trolly McTroll
2004-03-16 22:04:51
#53 Jibble
Please don't encourage either of us, or this may never end.



Jibble is getting married? What's is the name of the groom you're marrying Jibble?

Yakety Yak, Kids Smoke Crack!
#84 by Trolly McTroll
2004-03-16 22:05:15
#61 Caryn
It'll be 9 years for my husband and I this July.

HA!


I ate my husband.

BURP!

Yakety Yak, Kids Smoke Crack!
#85 by Trolly McTroll
2004-03-16 22:05:20
Conveniently Forgotten Facts
Back in 1969 a group of Black Panthers decided that a fellow black panther named... Alex Rackley needed to die. Rackley was suspected of disloyalty. Rackley was first tied to a chair. Once safely immobilized, his friends tortured him for hours by, among other things, pouring boiling water on him.

When they got tired of torturing Rackley, Black Panther member, Warren Kimbo took Rackley outside and put a bullet in his head. Rackley's body was later found floating in a river about 25 miles north of New Haven, Conn. Perhaps at this point you're curious as to what happened to these Black Panthers. In 1977, that's only eight years later, only one of the killers was still in jail. The shooter, Warren Kimbro, managed to get a scholarship to Harvard and became good friends with none other than Al Gore. He later became an assistant dean at Eastern Connecticut State College. Isn't that something?

As a '60s radical you can pump a bullet into someone's head, and a few years later, in the same state, you can become an assistant college dean! Only in America! Erica Huggins was the lady who served the Panthers by boiling the water for Mr. Rackley's torture. Some years later Ms. Huggins was elected to a California School Board. How in the world! do you think these killers got off so easy?

Maybe it was in some part due to the efforts of two people who came to the defense of the Panthers. These two people actually went so far as to shut down Yale University with demonstrations in defense of the accused Black Panthers during their trial. One of these people was none other than Bill Lan Lee. Mr. Lee, or Mr. Lan Lee, as the case may be, isn't a college dean. He isn't a member of a California School Board. He is now head of the US Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, appointed by none other than Bill Clinton. O.K., so who was the other Panther defender? Is this other notable Panther defender now a school board member? Is this other Panther apologist n! ow an assistant college dean? No, neither! The other Panther defender was, like Lee, a radical law student at Yale University at the time. She is now known as The "smartest woman in the world"

She is none other than the Democratic senator from the State of New York, our former First Lady, the incredible Hillary Rodham Clinton. And now, as Paul Harvey said; You know "the rest of the story." Remember that, if and when she runs for President.

Yakety Yak, Kids Smoke Crack!
#86 by McBain
2004-03-16 22:06:14
I don't get it, why have one at all?

Because we both come from religious families that expect a proper wedding.  It won't be for us, it's going to be all about our parents.

It's taking you 6 years to save for a wedding?

Well, how much money do you save while paying $50,000 a year in tuition?

Fighting the war on weapons of mass destruction-related program activity.
#87 by jjohnsen
2004-03-16 22:08:19
http://www.johnsenclan.com
Because we both come from religious families that expect a proper wedding.  It won't be for us, it's going to be all about our parents.


So let them pay for it.

-Jeremy
#88 by UncleJeet
2004-03-16 22:11:09
While it is technically possible to play Nocturne as a FPS, I'll refrain from listing it at this time.  I also can't list JK:JA because playing it in first person mode, and bothering to use guns and shooting, ruins the game.  Strictly third person lightsabersnessosity for me.  I will also only list what is still installed on my machine right now.

SP:
Deus Ex
System Shock 2
Unreal
Half Life
Undying

MP:
Unreal Tournament 1.  Uno.  Very much not 2k3.
Battlefield 1942
Enemy Territory
Tribes 1 & 2
Rainbow 6: Raven Shield

I'm fighting terrorism by playing violent video games!
#89 by McBain
2004-03-16 22:12:03
So let them pay for it.

If only it were that simple.  I agree, but their are certain parental emotional realities.  Especially when parents are bogged down in religious delusions.  It will be payback for our years of living in sin.

Fighting the war on weapons of mass destruction-related program activity.
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