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Eyegore Loves Talking About Sports!!!!
December 11th 2004, 13:27 CET by yotsuya

Here, for your convenience, is a new sports thread. Personally, I don't give a shit whether you vote it in or not. Some of us here enjoy talking about sports, and so threads like this exist to spare your sensitive ears. If you don't want it to exist, that's cool- so be it. Just keep in mind that bowl season is almost upon us, as well as the NFL playoffs and a potential end to the NHL lockout. Knowing the guys like I do, the football talk is going to heat up. So, if you're the kind of guy whose heartrate starts to quicken and you reach for your wallet to protect your lunch money when people talk about sports, if you simply don't like sports, if you get envious when people talk about things that you just have no clue about, or if you're Eyegore, vote no.

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#33 by The_Joker
2004-12-12 02:46:44
http://www.jackinworld.com
#29 This is just the beginning of the world of John Titor.


Sometimes I wonder if that crazyass lunatic mexican gangmember/teacher combo asshole doesn't have anything better to do than post sports threads.

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#34 by UncleJeet
2004-12-12 02:50:43
If it's the beginning, then Titor's movie sure starts out slow.  The plants have been here, doing the same things, for decades.

#35 by The_Joker
2004-12-12 02:56:28
http://www.jackinworld.com
Really.


Well this just goes to show you how you stupid amerians accept this shit and pretend like nothing happens. Maybe you complain on a messageboard about it, but you never actually do something about it. Before you know it decades go by again.
This also explains why Dubya has his cock up every american's ass at this moment.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka

PENETRATOR: Rise of the Wang Cuming "When it's done".
The American government and its supporters suck cock. See Fahrenheit 9/11 and discover the truth.
#36 by UncleJeet
2004-12-12 03:11:50
Oh, give it a rest, Joker.  You use the same products that get their base material refined right here.  The fact is, it doesn't really bother me much.  That's life, and if Texas somehow disappeared from reality, the world would be thrown into complete chaos due to the massive amount of refining and chemical processing that's done right here.

So, unless you want to give up your computer and stop posting on message boards, you're a hypocrite just like you claim the rest of us to be.  Computers and monitors are chock full of all sorts of nasty base chemicals, not to mention to pollution caused from creating the power to run them and all of the equipment that keeps the net going.

Honestly, unless you're willing to move out to the country and live off the land with no modern amenities, then shut the fuck up.  You're either a hypocrite pr are just completely ignorant of how "the system" works.  Everything breaks down to its parts, and the infrastructure that you claim to hate so much produces those parts and makes everything you use possible.

Either educate yourself beyond the ramblings of a hoax filled time travelling crackpot or shush up about it already.

#37 by The_Joker
2004-12-12 03:27:00
http://www.jackinworld.com
I see you are an expert in the ways of "the system". Which makes me wonder why you wrote post #29 if you know so much about it. In your own words : "Honestly, unless you're willing to move out to the country and live off the land with no modern amenities, then shut the fuck up."

Just accept your headache, black dust on your car, your clothes being eaten away by the air where you live, and the lot of dead angel babies which are bound to appear in the future.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka

PENETRATOR: Rise of the Wang Cuming "When it's done".
The American government and its supporters suck cock. See Fahrenheit 9/11 and discover the truth.
#38 by The_Joker
2004-12-12 03:31:19
http://www.jackinworld.com
Who's the hypocrite now. hmm?? HMM??? Stupid mick. If you so much as write another word about it I'm going to punch you in the face.

Joker, Ph.D. Procedural Assholian Behaviour, Pedophilosopher
- All your ass are belong to my wang Jafd. Prepare to are penetration.
"I fart in THX." - Sgt_Hulka

PENETRATOR: Rise of the Wang Cuming "When it's done".
The American government and its supporters suck cock. See Fahrenheit 9/11 and discover the truth.
#39 by Matt Perkins
2004-12-12 03:35:06
wizardque@yahoo.com http://whatwouldmattdo.com/
My new .sig rokzors!

"Who's the hypocrite now. hmm?? HMM??? Stupid mick. If you so much as write another word about it I'm going to punch you in the face." - Joker
#40 by Wudi
2004-12-12 03:36:32
I bet his fist will smell like wang, watch out jeet.

Zep--

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#41 by Leslie Nassar
2004-12-12 03:38:52
http://departmentofinternets.com
does anyone know the term for this kind of watermark advertising on news sites?

my favorite band sucks.
#42 by Wudi
2004-12-12 03:48:04
Turning off sigs in prefs is the new ignore.

I'm sure its very witty tho, terrorist.

How are things back on prison island, fag.

Zep-

Inverted Mouse 4 Life, YO!
#43 by m0nty
2004-12-12 03:59:41
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
Leslie Nassar (#41):
does anyone know the term for this kind of watermark advertising on news sites?

Whatever its name, it is distasteful. "Watermark advertising" sounds like a good enough name for me.
#44 by Leslie Nassar
2004-12-12 04:05:11
http://departmentofinternets.com
i like that it's an article about corporate ineptitude; perhaps it's anti-advertising?  disney pays for a near-subliminal ad for someone else to run all the way through a negative article.  i walked away thinking "fuck'n united.  fuck'n golden parachutes..."

my favorite band sucks.
#45 by Sgt Hulka
2004-12-12 04:10:56
fuck'n Disney

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#46 by Sgt Hulka
2004-12-12 04:30:22
Stolen Spongebob balloons going for $300-$500 bucks on ebay.

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#47 by G-Man
2004-12-12 04:34:12
#41 Leslie Nassar
does anyone know the term for this kind of watermark advertising on news sites?

Background image? I don't think they need a fancy word for it.
#48 by Leslie Nassar
2004-12-12 04:50:39
http://departmentofinternets.com
careful there, sparky.  if it weren't for fancy words, you'd be out of a job.

my favorite band sucks.
#49 by Squeaky
2004-12-12 05:36:42
#41 Leslie Nassar
does anyone know the term for this kind of watermark advertising on news sites?

sleazy?

My anus is uncontrollably tightening just thinking about bloody stool. --jjohnsen
I'm catching up to Ergo!
#50 by Hugin
2004-12-12 05:49:44
lmccain@nber.org
Yot, I don't think Pedro is coming back.
#51 by G-Man
2004-12-12 06:09:45
#48 Leslie Nassar
careful there, sparky.  if it weren't for fancy words, you'd be out of a job.

Nah. You'd still need people to argue on your behalf, because sometimes you are too busy to do it yourself.
#52 by Leslie Nassar
2004-12-12 06:15:17
http://departmentofinternets.com
also, lazy!

my favorite band sucks.
#53 by UncleJeet
2004-12-12 07:41:19
Joker The Confused
I see you are an expert in the ways of "the system". Which makes me wonder why you wrote post #29 if you know so much about it. In your own words : "Honestly, unless you're willing to move out to the country and live off the land with no modern amenities, then shut the fuck up."

Just accept your headache, black dust on your car, your clothes being eaten away by the air where you live, and the lot of dead angel babies which are bound to appear in the future.

Ok, I won't say another word about it.  Instead, I'll just quote what I already said about it, in the hopes that you will read and comprehend it this time.  Observe:

The fact is, it doesn't really bother me much.  That's life...

In the spirit of aiding your comprehension, what the above statement means is I have accepted my headade, the YELLOW (remember how I mistook it for pollen?  pollen is not black, He-Who-Is-Clearly-Confused) dust on my car, and since I don't wear pantyhose my clothes weren't eaten away by the air where I live.  I also said that this kind of thing happens on occassion, and all three events have taken place over about fifteen years and are the only incidents that I can recall.

The cancer rate IS high here, but here is where I am for now so I accept it.  The world needs its refined materials and its chemicals processed.  It has to happen somewhere, and while I don't claim to be "an expert" on "the system", I do realize that you don't just make a microwave oven by wiggling your fingers and having one materialize out of thin air.  I understand that it is made up of individual components, and I understand that each of those components is further made up of even smaller components, and I realize that the whole lot of it is made through base materials that have had to be refined and processed.

Seriously though, I can see why you cling to the Titor myth so strongly.  It gives you a very clear picture of the world and reality, and lends to it enough of a feeling of hopelesness and places the blame squarely on someone else's shoulders that you can feel high and mighty while you do nothing to stop the impending doom yourself.  Instead, you continue post boring lectures to people on a computer message board who laugh and don't take a word you say seriously.  If you want to lecture other people on "doing something about it" and not "just posting on a message board" - then why don't you stop posting lectures on a message board and start doing something about it?

You see, the reason we are not hypocrites and you are is because we don't believe in the stories told by someone claiming to be a time traveller from the future who came back in time to get an IBM computer from the 70's so he can save the world in his time.  While he was here, he decided to chat it up on the primitive information superhighway and post apocolyptic messages because he was bored.

Since we don't believe in the hoax, we are not being hypocritical when we choose not to heed its dire warnings.  Since you, however, do believe in the hoax yet choose to not do anything to help stop the predictions from being realized, you are clearly the only hypocrite here.

I'll close with a quick analogy in the interests of clarifying myself just a little bit more in the hope that you'll understand.  A person who does not believe in God does not find it blasphemous to take his name in vain or fuck someone else's wife.  A person who does believe in God should find these things to be a sin.  The difference between the two, as concerns who is the hypocrite and who is not, is that if the non-believer fucks your mother he's not saying or believing in one thing and doing another, whilst if the believer commits the sin without remorse, well....there ya go.

Cliff's Notes Summary Of The Above Bibblebabble
You're a freakin' nutjob, Joker.  Is the grass green on your world, or have the evil and filthy Americans already covered it in a lustrous sheen of oil and blood?

#54 by Squeaky
2004-12-12 07:57:50
Jeet: you honsetly expect joker to read all that?

My anus is uncontrollably tightening just thinking about bloody stool. --jjohnsen
I'm catching up to Ergo!
#55 by Sgt Hulka
2004-12-12 08:01:04
Looks like the Germans like pain

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#56 by BobJustBob
2004-12-12 08:14:44
<germz> in one turn of Civ3 you could devastate the globe
<germz> Alpha Centuri was better because when the planet buster went off,it made a crater in the ground
<UncleJeet> too bad Alpha Centauri sucked, though
<germz> you pagan
<UncleJeet> civ in space with red stringy tiles depciting somewhint or other
<BobJustBob> Holy crap, Jeet.
<BobJustBob> This is the wrongest you have ever been.
<UncleJeet> civ was good not only because of its design, but because it was on earth with really real civilizations
<BobJustBob> SMAC was the best civ game, no question.
<UncleJeet> copying the game and changing the tiles to put it in space with a few minor and annoying changes to tthe game did not make it superior to civ or even equal
<germz> you obviously didnt play it much!
<None-sleep> They both suck because it takes 8 hours to lose.
<germz> it wasnt just civ in space
<germz> it was the most advanced civ game ever!
<UncleJeet> but since any really real gamer has to, by default, endorse and love a Sid Meyer game, lest they show a crack in their game snob armor, everyone professes to love it


Dood.
#57 by Squeaky
2004-12-12 08:25:30
I guess I don't have to show a crack in my armour, since I've never even heard of this 'Sid Meyer'.

My anus is uncontrollably tightening just thinking about bloody stool. --jjohnsen
I'm catching up to Ergo!
#58 by Dan
2004-12-12 08:52:42
dan@froglord.com
Everybody hear that?  It's a mad Texan pounding away furuiously at his keyboard.
#59 by Dan
2004-12-12 08:53:15
dan@froglord.com
-u, kthx.
#60 by G-Man
2004-12-12 10:05:03
Alpha Centauri is the best civ style game out there. It is better than Civ 3 and will, no doubt, be better than Civ 4. This is not in debate.
#61 by McBain
2004-12-12 10:08:26
I avoided Alpha Centauri solely because of the disaster that was Outpost.  I can't remember why I associated the two.

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#62 by Marsh Davies
2004-12-12 12:15:09
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I'm sure Alpha Centauri was a great game, but it never appealed to me for the reason that Jeet mentions: that it wasn't set on earth with familiar nations, cities, technology etc.

#63 by zimbardo_ugly
2004-12-12 13:28:16
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
#53 by UncleJeet

The cancer rate IS high here, but here is where I am for now so I accept it.


I can understand that it makes you angry and want to fight someone, but what Joker did was really only what he always does. And you are, it seems, trying to project that getting cancer while playing EQ2 is what being a grownup is all about, so long as you keep the higher ideals of microwave ovens and industrial prosperity in mind.

"They know that Hamlet and Lear are gay;
Gaiety transfiguring all that dread."
--W. B. Yeats
#64 by G-Man
2004-12-12 13:37:15
It is the American way...
#65 by gaggle
2004-12-12 14:28:51
It's living with it vs. spending years and years fighting some imaginary uphill battle. Three somewhat curious incidents over the span of fifteen years.. eh so what.


I was veeeeerrrrryy fond of Alpha Centauri, a big part because of the ongoing story throughout the game. It was pure text, nothing revolutionary in the context of interactive storytelling, but I really liked it back then. Such bittersweet endings, all.. idunno, four of them I think. Mmm. Not that Civ2 wasn't fun either, but I got way more immersed into AC myself.

I seem to remember thinking it was kinda lame how units were handled though. Just the interface part of it, like, it was too easy to create more vehicledesigns than intended, or it took too long to change parts, or something like that. But no dealbreaker.


And finally, I'm pleased to announce I'm a big fat G-Man whore. I bought the iPAQ, had no choice after I heard his luring siren call.

"Good day Shopkeep, I require a hand operated buzzsaw capable of cutting through a human sternum."
#66 by zimbardo_ugly
2004-12-12 14:42:42
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
#65 by gaggle

And finally, I'm pleased to announce I'm a big fat G-Man whore.


This is to be your new icon. Comply, citizen.

"They know that Hamlet and Lear are gay;
Gaiety transfiguring all that dread."
--W. B. Yeats
#67 by G-Man
2004-12-12 14:45:58
I'd hit that.
#68 by Hugin
2004-12-12 15:09:13
lmccain@nber.org
SMAC was the best Civ game, yes.  For one thing, being set off of Earth and outside of Earth's history meant you weren't confronted as harshly with things like unit types fighting vastly outside their time period.
#69 by gaggle
2004-12-12 15:14:29
Civ History, next on Fox! Watch in awe as Musketeers assault a squadron of helicopters, watch as planes are shot down by ferocious cavalry. Guns, action, drama, rightafterthesewordsfromoursponsors!

"Good day Shopkeep, I require a hand operated buzzsaw capable of cutting through a human sternum."
#70 by gaggle
2004-12-12 15:18:43
Zim, that's a nice icon, but where to put the christmas hat? Maybe in the new year eh.

"Good day Shopkeep, I require a hand operated buzzsaw capable of cutting through a human sternum."
#71 by zimbardo_ugly
2004-12-12 15:53:17
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
The Battle for Middle Earth is horrible shit with moronic AI, bereft of any trace of strategy. Buy and you'll be sorry, torrent and you won't buy. Looks nice, though.

"They know that Hamlet and Lear are gay;
Gaiety transfiguring all that dread."
--W. B. Yeats
#72 by zimbardo_ugly
2004-12-12 15:55:41
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
Here is the only review I've seen so far which does not completely disregard what a horrible pile of uninspired corporate shit that game is.

"They know that Hamlet and Lear are gay;
Gaiety transfiguring all that dread."
--W. B. Yeats
#73 by Hugin
2004-12-12 15:56:06
lmccain@nber.org
Ocean's 12 is mildly entertaining so long as you watch it to see big stars being loose and funny with each other and tweaking their own image a bit.  Seeing is in terms of a "movie" with "plot" will disappoint you.  There's a problem when you shoot a caper/heist film, and they don't actually show you the caper/heist. All of the original cast are back but most of them don't do much of anything.  And the loss of the Vegas setting robs it of a certain style, they don't play to the strengths of the European setting in the same way, the personalities don't match the place nearly as well as in the first movie (master thieves working in a city that's essentially a giant official municipal thief).

There's one set of scenes towards the end that are, IMO, too broad, unearned, almost break the movie entirely, and Soderburgh and company need to be slapped.  But I expect many people will like this sequence.  It is followed by a sequence which is sweet and charming and tremendously funny which saved the movie for me and I wish more of the movie had been like this.

Maybe worth a matinee.
#74 by UncleJeet
2004-12-12 16:12:42
The Battle for Middle Earth is horrible shit with moronic AI, bereft of any trace of strategy. Buy and you'll be sorry, torrent and you won't buy. Looks nice, though.

See, I thought the same thing (though not as harshly) about it when I first played it, too.  But the thing is, the simplicity of the game is only on the surface.  Play on into the game a good ways, get past Helm's Deep, and don't play on Easy.

You're right about there not being much strategy though, BFME is more of a tactics game than anything else.  I haven't seen any examples of moronic AI, but I also haven't seen any amazing examples of the much-hyped "emotion" system, either.

Anyway, there is a great deal of depth to the game hidden underneath the very simple surface.  It's one of those very rare games that's easy to play, difficult to master.

Then again, if you hate it, you hate it.  I'm just curious if you're playing on Easy and have just blown through the first few missions.  The missions build on each other, Homeworld-style, and all of the different lands you defend give you different bonuses and such.  I dunno, it's just fun.  Have you gotten past Helm's Deep yet?

#75 by UncleJeet
2004-12-12 16:14:45
Another way of looking at BFME is as the Super Smash Brothers of RTS games.  SSB is a very simple game on the surface, with about the easiest interface you could ever ask for in a fighting game.  Play it for a while, though - and play someone who knows what they're doing - and you'll start to peel back to the real depth of the game.  Easy to play, difficult to master.

#76 by zimbardo_ugly
2004-12-12 16:21:58
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
#75 by UncleJeet

Play it for a while, though - and play someone who knows what they're doing - and you'll start to peel back to the real depth of the game.  Easy to play, difficult to master.


I never play games on easy, but I fear there is not much depth in that game at all. And I forgot - their resource system is such a laugh, they should have left it out completely.

"They know that Hamlet and Lear are gay;
Gaiety transfiguring all that dread."
--W. B. Yeats
#77 by zimbardo_ugly
2004-12-12 16:23:16
zimbardo_ugly@hotmail.com
And it's not difficult to master at all. Au contraire, it's shallow.

"They know that Hamlet and Lear are gay;
Gaiety transfiguring all that dread."
--W. B. Yeats
#78 by Chunkstyle
2004-12-12 16:24:51
Battle for Middle Earth is fun.

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#79 by UncleJeet
2004-12-12 16:33:06
Well, if you want Warcraft or Age of Empires, or any of that type of economy and resource-based game, yeah you'll hate BFME.  How fast you can produce units and how many you can make aren't the deciding factors in any battles.  It's how you use what you have.  The review has a lot of good points, but some of it confuses me.  For example:

The opposition AI appears not to have evolved since the original Command and Conquer arrived ten years ago. The computer will happily dribble out small groups of troops to die fruitlessly against your defences. Streams and streams of basic infantry will bash up against your walls before being quickly struck down without you lifting a finger. After skirmishing against extraordinary silicon minds on the battlefields of Rome or the Warhammer worlds this is a major disappointment.

I haven't see this at all.  In fact, I started one battle as Gondor, with my small army inside a small encampment with a ton of orcs and uruks outside.  While my gates were closed, they would not approach me at all, but gather just outside of my archers' range.  Every now and then, one would move a little too close and get a unit or two picked off, but the longer I took to build up my force, the more and more the enemy built up a force just outside my gates.

In time, he sent a few little battering rams that my archers dealt with easily.  Then he started bringing in catapults and I knew I had to hurry up and take the battle outside.  The second I opened my gates, his infantry started rushing to get in, so we clashed right at my gateway.  As I fought them back, with my archers raining arrows from above and my infantry hacking and slashing on the groun, I managed to gain a little ground, bit by bit.  By the end of it, my force was thinned out and heavily wounded.

I couldn't possibly take any major enemy base, so I gathered my men back inside the encampment and closed up my gates again.  Slowly, a new force started gathering just outside of range.  I obviously couldn't sit here and build up to full strength, or I'd just face the same fate over again.  So I opened up the gates, took care of the guys, then proceeded to slowly creep out around the map looking for enemy lumber mills to cut off his supply of cash.  Each lumber mill I took out slowed his production, and the force that could gather outside my walls as I built up an army to take on the offensive against his base.

Anyway, the point of all of that is: never did I see one batallion repeatedly run up to my walls to get killed as the reviewer seems to have happened to him.  Judging by some other areas of that review, though, especially the second paragaph, the guy just isn't taking the right approach to playing the game yet.  Once he gets it, if he get it, he'll see that his complaints are more to do with how he's playing the game and how good he is at it more than it has to do with any shortcoming of the AI or any other aspect of the game.

#80 by UncleJeet
2004-12-12 16:41:13
And it's not difficult to master at all. Au contraire, it's shallow.

Granted, it's not Rome or any Total War game - but it's billed as a RTS, not a battleground-level tactics game.  Flanking an enemy gets you no bonuses, troops don't have any moral one way or the other, you don't get bonuses from attacking from high ground, etc.  That's a lot of complexity that's been left out, and if you want that, yeah you'll be disappointed.

What's left in is a very simple game to play that, played against someone who understands how to play it, has a surprising amount of depth to it without being overly complicated.  Simple to play, difficult to master.  It doesn't get bogged down in the traditional RTS resource gathering in the same way it doesn't get bogged down in sophisticated wargames' highly detailed tactics models.  It's easy for anyone to sit down and start playing, but winning against a worthy opponent takes a lot of skill in spite of the ease of play.  This is what makes a game successful - easy for anyone, even "the masses" to play, while still being deep enough for even the self-proclaimed "hardcore" to find challenging at higher levels or against opponents of equal skill.

You still haven't told me if you've gotten past Helm's Deep yet.  If you have, could you describe how your battle went?  I'm curious if our experiences in at least that one battle were at all similar.

#81 by m0nty
2004-12-12 16:58:44
http://tinfinger.blogspot.com
I forget if I've mentioned this before, but the Double Your Pleasure mod for Civ3 is very enjoyable.
#82 by deadlock
2004-12-12 17:07:28
http://www.deadlocked.org/
You probably have mentinoed it before. I move that Monty add that Civ link, along with his beloved anti-Starship Troopers links to his sig. All in favour?

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That you would have me back
So I wrote it
But I lost it
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